Elizabeth Cluley Greaves

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• FamilySearch ID: KWCD-QWQ
• Initiatory (LDS): 4 Jun 1884, LOGAN
• Census: 1910, Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States

Notes:

Elizabeth Cluley Greaves was born in a one-room adobe house at Provo, Ut a h on October 21, 1856.
Her family spent several years clearing land near the Provo River for fa r ming.

Then one year the river flooded, completely ruining the farm. This broug h t the family of six to Logan where in late 1862, they lived out of a co ve red wagon while Joseph built a suitable dugout for a winter dwelling.
Four years following their arrival in Logan, the family lost their mom a n d their newborn sixth sister, Mary Ann .

This was truly a time of sorrow and trial for 8-year-old Elizabeth. Sh e w ould take her 2-year-old baby sister from one neighbor to another try in g to keep her from crying for her mother.

When one parent is gone, little children feel the need to draw very clos e ly around the parent who is with them. Joseph, now a widower, was lef t wi th 3 young boys ages 10, 6, and 4, and 2 daughters ages 8 and 2. The y wou ld have required nearly all of his time and attention.

The neighbors offered help, and Joseph was in no position to reject it . W ith Elizabeth taking her baby sister to various neighbors for care, J osep h found his burden bearable. He could occupy the three boys workin g wit h him on the farm.

Joseph's bishop suggested a permanent home for Elizabeth. She would be v e ry helpful in tending younger children and assisting with housework. H e r physical needs would all be satisfied. Joseph may have thought of hi s o wn half-starved childhood as an orphan in England. Here was a chanc e fo r a daughter to be well cared for while she was growing up and learn ing t he art of homemaking. He accepted the offer .

Elizabeth was taken to live in a new home in a different ward four mil e s away. With a one-hour hike separating her from her family, this wa s i n some ways like living in a different community. Unfortunately, Eliz abet h's strong emotional need to be near her father and family was overl ooked . To be pulled away from her family at this time greatly accentuate d he r grief.

While living in the household of Ada Hemingway Davidson, Elizabeth was a l ways kept very busy. Perhaps it was hoped that this would keep her fro m l onging for her family. She did get some schooling, but as recorded b y he r daughter Lillie, she would have to rush home at noon to scrub th e kitch en floor and comb Mrs. Davidson's heavy long hair, leaving no tim e to ea t her dinner.

There were many nights when Elizabeth would cry herself to sleep. She lo n ged for her family; she mourned for her mother. She felt more like a se rv ant than a daughter in this new home .

In later years, when people came to live in her home, they were always t r eated like part of the family.

Three or four years later, when Elizabeth was twelve years old, her fath e r remarried. However, Elizabeth was not invited to come back home to li ve ; we do not know why. Her father's own years of apprenticeship in Engl an d suggest a possible answer. It may not have seemed fair to him that h i s daughter was given board, room, and training for several years and th e n taken back home just as she was becoming useful enough to pay back h e r benefactors. Thus he may have looked upon her service as an indentur e d contract which only time could fill. That Joseph loved his daughter w a s never a point of question. Their separation may have been nearly as h ar d on him as it was on her.

These were pioneering days; these were times for survival. Elizabeth a n d her father both sacrificed, and they both survived!

Elizabeth lived with and served Mrs. Davidson for ten years. Elizabeth w a s a hard worker and was always very useful. She became very skilled i n al l the pioneer homemaking arts. She also worked in the garden and gre w t o love flowers.

Elizabeth kept as close to her family as possible over the years. Five a d ditional children were born to her father and his new wife. These fiv e an d the two daughters from his new wife's previous marriage were love d as m uch by Elizabeth as her original three brothers and sister. Elizab eth's d aughter Lillie was fully grown before she realized that the two g irls fro m the previous marriage were not her mother's own sisters.

Elizabeth's older brother John looked after her welfare. When they wer e o ld enough to go to the dances, John would always first see if Elizabe th h ad someone to go with. He would take her to the dance himself if sh e di d not. Lillie wrote that when John received his first wages for hiri ng ou t on a job, he gave his sister Elizabeth 35 cents. This was the fir st mon ey Elizabeth ever had. She made herself a very pretty dress with t he mate rial purchased from this money.

Elizabeth and her husband, David Eames, were lovers, right from the begi n ning to the end of their lives. Their daughter records she, “never reca l l my parents saying an unkind word to each other”. They had 10 childre n ( Elizabeth was 45 years old when her last child was born .

Elizabeth and her husband were “first” in many things: first to in the i r area to have a telephone, first to have electric lights and first t o ha ve indoor plumbing so they could have a bathroom, a tub, a washbasi n an d a toilet. Their children’s friends used to come down to take a bat h i n their big white tub. Previous to that, Saturday night all the famil y to ok their baths in the round tub in the kitchen.

The family had a big dining room table and Elizabeth always had a table c loth on, ready to feed anyone that ever came. They turned the chairs, t h e back against the table and the seat facing out, and there is where w e k nelt to have our prayer.

Elizabeth Cluley Greaves Eames was a remarkably resourceful woman, by an y one's standard. She was someone often called on when someone was sick , sh e also helped with the babies for miles around. She made her own soa p, sh e'd catch their geese, turn them upside down on her lap and pick th e dow n off from underneath their tummies, put it in a big washtub, the n fill i t into pillows. Elizabeth’s family raised a lot of sheep. She ca rded som e of this wool and made it into nice clean bats and made quilt s she als o knitted long black stockings made from their wool.

Her youngest daughter, Ilah, recalls, “My mother also taught me to lov e a nd visit my family”.

During the last few years of Elizabeth's life, Lillie made the followi n g observation about her: "Mother has worked so very constantly and so h ar d all her life until now at the age of 81 years, she is nervous if sh e si ts without something in her hands to do."

Sources:
David Cullen Eames (B.1851) and Elizabeth Cluley Greaves Family By Ral p h G. McKnight
Our Eames Heritage Transcription of an audiotape made by Ilah Eames Carp e nter to Ralph McKnight Summer of 1983

Elizabeth married David Cullen Eames on 29 Dec 1877 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States. David (son of David Rowland Eames and Esther Cullen) was born on 1 Sep 1851 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States; died on 9 Feb 1929 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; was buried on 13 Feb 1929 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Edward Eames was born on 21 Aug 1878 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; died on 21 Aug 1878 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States.
2. David Greaves Eames was born on 29 Sep 1879 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; died on 27 Jan 1961 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; was buried on 31 Jan 1961 in Preston Cemetery, Franklin, Idaho, United States.
3. Sarah Greaves Eames was born on 1 Nov 1881 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; was christened on 3 Aug 1890 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; died on 27 Nov 1970 in Pocatello, Bannock, Idaho, United States; was buried on 1 Dec 1970 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States.
4. Elizabeth Greaves "Lillie" Eames was born on 6 Jun 1884 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; died on 28 Dec 1966 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States; was buried on 31 Dec 1966 in Logan City Cemetery, Cache, Utah, United States.
5. Rebecca May Eames was born on 28 Dec 1886 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; died on 25 Jul 1955 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, United States; was buried on 29 Jul 1955 in Richfield, Sevier, Utah, United States.
6. Aerial Guy Eames was born on 18 Jul 1889 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; died on 27 Jan 1971 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; was buried on 31 Jan 1971 in Preston Cemetery, Franklin, Idaho, United States.
7. Nathaniel Howard Eames was born on 3 Aug 1892 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; died on 27 Jan 1921; was buried on 30 Jan 1921 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States.
8. Joseph Leland Eames was born on 23 Jun 1895 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; died on 12 Feb 1970 in Ogden, Weber, Utah, United States; was buried on 16 Feb 1970 in Ogden, Weber, Utah, United States.
9. Rowland Eames was born on 14 May 1898 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; died on 16 May 1898 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; was buried in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States.
10. Ilah Eames was born on 8 Jun 1902 in Preston, Franklin, Idaho, United States; died on 17 May 1994 in Orem, Utah, Utah, United States; was buried in Preston Cemetery, Franklin, Idaho, United States.

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• FamilySearch ID: KWJ4-Z4M
• Initiatory (LDS): 6 Nov 1868, EHOUS

Notes:

Pioneer

Jacob Gates Company (1853) Age at departure: 21. 262 individuals and 3 3 w agons were in the company when it began its journey from the outfitti ng p ost at Keokuk, Iowa. The first members of the company arrived in Sal t Lak e by September 26, but others came in as late as September 30th.

Occupation: Farmer

Joseph married Sarah Priscilla Cluley on 20 Feb 1853 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Sarah (daughter of Henry Cluley and Catherine Threlfall) was born on 13 Feb 1831 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; was christened on 1 Apr 1831 in Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England; died on 13 Apr 1865 in Logan, Cache, Utah, United States; was buried in Logan City Cemetery, Cache, Utah, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: KWJ4-ZW1
• Initiatory (LDS): 28 Jan 1885, LOGAN

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Sarah Priscilla Cluley
1831- 1865

Early Life
Born: 13 Feb 1831 Liverpool, England
Christened: April 1, 1831
Baptized: 3 July 1831 St. Nicholas, Church of England in Liverpool
Parents: Henry Cluley and Catherine Threlfall .

Sarah’s father, Henry, is listed as bootmaker on Sarah’s marriage licens e . Bootmaking/shoemaking appears to be a family business. Sarah’s mothe r , Catherine, worked as a shoebinder (1841 census).
** Hand binder or boot binder—one who sewed together the upper leather s o n a last, usually women, older children and old men.

Sarah Priscilla was born the 3rd of 6 children in her family but she w a s the only child that grew into adulthood; her other 5 siblings all di e d when they were infants. Sarah Priscilla was the only child who live d p ast the age of one.

Siblings:
Ann—Jan 2, 1828-Nov 1828--
Lived 10 months
John—July 17, 1829-Mar 8 1830--
Lived 8 months
Sarah—Feb 13, 1831-Apr 12 1865
Joseph—June 28, 1835-Feb. 1836--
Lived 8 months
Elizabeth—Feb 13, 1837-March 1837- Lived about 5 weeks
Henry—May 6, 1838-Feb 24, 1839--
Lived 9 months

Sarah lived on Brick Street, Liverpool, England.
She learned about heartache and death at an early age.
Before she was 10, Sarah not only lost her father but had also experienc e d the joy of having 3 siblings born and the sorrow of those 3 childre n be ing called home in their infancy.

Sarah (10) and her mother (35) then lived with Catherine’s father, Jose p h Threlfall, a carpenter, who was 75 years old. (1841 census)

While growing up, Sarah most likely helped her mother in the shoe bindi n g business and probably looked after her grandfather the best she could .

When Sarah was 17 years old, her mother, Catherine, remarried a man nam e d William Maxwell. (She had been a widow 8 years )

Adulthood
At age 20, Sarah was living in another household—(77 Grove Street) possi b ly caring for an 82 year old man. She is listed as a servant living wi t h a retired merchant, a commercial traveler who is a listed as a lodge r a nd a 36 year old woman listed as head of house and housekeeper. (185 1 cen sus)

Sarah somehow learned about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Sai n ts between the years of 1849 and 1852. One record says she was baptiz e d on 22 Dec. 1849 but other writings indicate the date was later, clos e r to 1851-2.

When she was 22, Sarah married Joseph Greaves (Feb 20, 1853). The ne x t day they sailed on the “International” bound for New Orleans, LA.

This must have been a time of conflicting emotions for Sarah. Knowing th e y would never see each other again in this life, she had to leave her m ot her and everything familiar to her, but there must have been excitemen t a t starting a new marriage and a new life in a new country with peopl e wh o shared her same beliefs and goals.

Coming to America
8 weeks of:
The discomforts of cheapest fare
Crowded quarters
Menial tasks, bad smells
Insufficient food—running out of flour
Little room—their berth (or bed) was so small that if she turned, she a n d Joseph both would have to turn at the same time.
Unfavorable winds
Once during a storm on ship—the hatchway was closed down and people ha d t o keep in their bunks. Sarah made a caraway seed cake that they pu t in s ack and hung it within reach and that supplied food for them whil e the st orm lasted.

*A more detailed description of the International’s voyage to Americ a i s included at the end of this history.

Going West
Joseph remembers:
(In a letter to his cousin William Greaves Sept 2-4 1897)

Jacob Gates Company—1853

“from New Orleans we go by Steamer to Keokuk Iowna [Iowa], from this Pla c e we Travel with Ox Teams to Salt Lake City Distance 1300 miles.
arrived there Sept. 30. I helped to drive the Loose Cattle of the Compa n y the whole of the Journey on foot. the first 300 miles it was very we t w eather. and most of us had to lay on the ground as only one or two co ul d lay in each wagon. my Provisions gave out on the Sweet water, as wa s th e case with others of the company. from this time we commenced to ki ll th e poorest of the Cattle to live on, and we had no salt to use wit h this m eat,
Keokuk, Iowa was our outfitting point w[h]ere we received our oxen, cow s , and wagons. Here is where our camp life commenced. We were on the fro nt ier of civilization; we remained here some time waiting for our oxen . Her e we were put in companies, twelve persons to a wagon. There were , I thin k, four families in our wagon, my family and that of an old man’ s was sma ll. There was a captain over each ten wagons and a captain of t he compan y of fifty wagons when we started from here. And when the wago n I belonge d to was just pulling out a man comes to me and says, “You ha ve been sele cted to remain here in company with three others to bring al ong a herd o f cows when they come.” I had never been one day away from m y wife befor e since we were married. The company went some distance t o a place calle d Montrose, and by this time they found out that they wer e too heavily lo aded for a journey of 1,300 miles. Each family had a box , some had crock s and books. We had to lighten up; the locks and hinge s were taken off th e boxes, and the boxes were all piled together and bu rned. Crocks, extr a cooking utensils, books and anything that could be d ispensed with had t o be got rid of. The inhabitants of that place got lo ts of things for a f ew vegetables or a little milk. When the cows came , life was something ne w for a sailor. The cows were purchased of farmer s all over the country a nd were all strange to each other and of cours e would not travel together , and I can assure you we green horns had a h ard time of it. They would g o every way but the way we wanted them to go . When we reached our compan y my wife soon informed me of all the thing s she had to part with. We wer e allowed one box to a wagon to put in th e best things of the persons bel onging to the wagon, and me being away a t the time, selected mine for tha t purpose. Our route through Iowa to th e Missouri river to where Omaha no w is was a distance of 300 miles. It w as a wet season of the year. I ha d made myself an oilcloth coat to wea r on the ship as I thought befor e I started, but had no occasion to wea r it. But it came in good to put o n the wet ground in the tent to make o ur bed on. The grass was up to ou r waist and every morning when we woul d go to gather up the cattle we wou ld get wet to our skin. This 300 mile s was one of the greatest trials I h ave ever passed through, except losi ng my wife. I had never been used t o walking and it was a great deal o f labor to me. I have many a time la y down on the ground and cussed th e day that I was born. I am sorry to sa y it but it is so. But long befor e we got to Salt Lake I could have walke d many more miles than our team s were able to do each day. We were campe d some time where Omaha now is . It took quite a long time to ferry the wa gons and cattle over the rive r. This place was called Caneville [Kanesvil le], and the last place sett led by white people. When we crossed the Miss ouri we were in the India n territory and one thousand and thirty miles o f dry country before us . We made this part of our journey in a little ove r ten weeks. This par t of the journey was hot and we would walk through r ivers and creeks wit h our clothes all on and let them dry on us and not h ave any bad effect s from so doing. We had two yolk of oxen to each wago n and two cows. Som e men would break in the cows and use them. I drove th e loose animals th e whole distance, had one person at a time to help me . During the last 5 00 miles when the cattle were poor and sore-footed I w ould be left a lon g way behind the company and at times when it was ver y dark. I could no t have found the camp if it had not been for the sens e of smell of an ol d gentleman that was with me. He could smell the cam p fire a long way of f. Some time before we reached our journey’s end ou r provisions became v ery scarce. Then we commenced to kill our poorest ca ttle to [word fade d out] out the deficiency. If anyone ever learned the v alue of salt, w e did at this time. (I have always been careful of salt ev er since.) W e lived on poor beef alone and no salt too – it is somethin g you could n ot comprehend if you have not tried it. During our journey w e could se e many useful articles by the roadside that were left by thos e who wer e ahead of us to lighten their loads. Men would be stationed b y these ar ticles while the train would pass by them or some thoughtless p ersons wo uld put things in the wagons and soon put us in the condition o f those w ho had to leave them. I was so hungry the latter part of our jou rney tha t I had made up my mind that as soon as I got in the valley of Sa lt Lak e I would commence to beg, but as usual, the last day I was a lon g way b ehind the company. And as soon as I got out of the mountains I cou ld se e the city in the distance. I left two oxen that had hindered my pro gres s all day, and traveled a little faster. When I reached camp my wif e inf ormed me that the people commenced to beg at every house they passed . Wh en I learned that, it took all the courage out of me and one of our c omp any, seeing we had nothing, gave us enough to make us a supper. Thus e nd ed our journey, on the 30th of Sept. 1853. I kept no diary of those da y s so I cannot give you as interesting account as I would like to have d on e.” (J. Greaves)

The company made a start but found they were too heavily loaded. Capta i n Gates called a meeting and told everyone to throw away all but 25 pou nd s a head. All of the books were burned and many dishes were discarded . S ome were traded to settlers for food.

A grand-daughter remembers:
“Grandmother (Sarah) had to discard many of her precious things as the y w ere coming to Utah so as to lighten the load for the oxen were givin g out . This made her feel very bad.”

“Grandmother had real dark hair and grey eyes. (her daughter, Priscill a , resembled her (Sarah) and aunt Lizzie resembled grandfather (Joseph). ”

Utah
Arriving in Salt Lake destitute, Joseph had to accept any kind of availa b le work, a tough thing for someone who had never done anything except t ai loring. Priscilla fared some better by helping with the housework of a n a ged couple and this had food and warmth.

Priscilla and Joseph’s first winter in SLC was full of hardships. Jose p h wrote, “We were in a strange country and I had never done a day’s wo r k at anything but my trade. It was hard for a weak, half starved indiv id ual like myself to learn to do common labor with shovel, pick or saw . Ev ery little job I would get would be different from the one I last h ad…I w ould keep warm in the sun on the south side of some building. W e got i n a log house that winter, but had very little wood to burn. A t nigh t I would go to meeting to keep warm. However, we lived through o ur firs t North American winter. I have never regretted my coming here a lthoug h it was wild looking place then.”

Ten months after Joseph and Priscilla were married, their first child, J o hn Cluley, was born in a one-room dirt floor log cabin. They lived i n Sa lt Lake City for 3 years, sometimes living on roots of weeds to kee p fro m starving. The grasshopper plague made things even worse, destroy ing th eir crops, so they moved to Provo.

In Provo, fish were easily caught—even with no bait and potatoes, corn a n d flour were obtained. There, Thomas, Joseph and Elizabeth were bor n i n a one-room adobe house. The Greaves family spent several years cle arin g land and farming near the Provo River. The farm was too near th e rive r and their crops were frequently washed away. Then one year th e river f looded, completely ruining the farm .

Joseph had heard favorable reports about Cache Valley so he set out on f o ot to inspect to the area. He liked what he saw and so after 6 year s o f living in Provo, the family of 6 traveled by ox team in the winte r to L ogan. They lived in their wagon until they were able to make a on e-roo m dugout where the lot sloped down. They now had a roof, a door an d a wi ndow. The floors were covered with clean straw and they had a fire place a nd bake oven that they used outside. Now sheltered and comfortab le, th e family welcomed a baby girl, Priscilla, born in March 1863. Th e move t o Logan was permanent. Later they lived in a two-room house wit h a “lean to” on the back on the lot where they first camped.

Three years later, on April 2, 1865 Sarah gave birth to a baby girl, Ma r y Ann. She lived only a few days and on the 13th of the same month, Sa ra h (age 34) followed her in death. Mary Ann’s grave was made larger an d c ontains both mother and daughter. Thirty-four years is not a long ti me t o live, but the wonderful characteristics, traits and values Sarah a nd Jo seph have passed on to their children stand as a witness to the ki nd o f people they were and what they instilled in their children.
Sarah and Joseph’s 6 children:

John Cluley Elizabeth Cluley Joseph Cluley

Thomas Cluley Priscilla Cluley Mary Ann Cluley

Trials, tests, set backs, hardships, caring for others, accomplishment s , joy, starting and restarting life over again…Sarah was familiar wit h al l these things and kept going. She was loved: by the family she cam e fro m, by her children and her husband. We are grateful for her life , sacrif ices, example and legacy she has left us. Joseph’s feelings wer e about S arah were expressed in his letter to William, 32 years after he r passing:
“Our route through Iowa to where Omaha now is was a distance of 300 mile s . This 300 miles was one of the greatest trials I have ever passed thr ou gh except losing my wife”
Thank you, Grandma Sarah. Until we meet again….
**The plot was among the first in the Logan City cemetery and lies direc t ly east across the roadway from the Thatcher plot. Joseph, and his sec on d wife, Elizabeth Wood Greaves and an infant daughter Susan who died s oo n after birth are also buried there. A suitable monument marks the pl ot.
Sources:
“My Grandfather – Joseph Greaves”, History of Utah since Statehood, Vo l . 4, pg. 1920
Conversations between Nellie Greaves Spidell and Elizabeth Greaves Eam e s on March 27, 1937
Missionary Journal of Joseph Greaves – original now in LDS Church Archiv e s. Also brief sketch prefacing this journa l
Two letters written by Joseph Greaves dated September 10, 1897 and Septe m ber 14, 1897.
#1 Personal History: Childhood and Catherine Mary Eames by Vera Carter L e wis

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• FamilySearch ID: L5FK-H9Z
• Initiatory (LDS): 5 Feb 1885, LOGAN

Joseph married Mary Ann Holliwell on 28 Nov 1830 in Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Mary (daughter of George Holliwell and Sarah Trellford) was born on 12 Jun 1810 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; died on 27 Sep 1844 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; was buried in Necropolis Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LH6P-QR5
• Initiatory (LDS): 5 Feb 1885, LOGAN

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• FamilySearch ID: LKVY-Z94
• Occupation: 4 Mar 1827, Liverpool, Lancashire, England; Shoe Maker
• Initiatory (LDS): 18 Jan 1928, LOGAN

Henry married Catherine Threlfall on 4 Mar 1827 in St. Peter's Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Catherine (daughter of Joseph Threlfall and Nancy Thorley) was born in 1805 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; died in 1919. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LHPC-LJT
• Residence: 1851, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
• Initiatory (LDS): 5 Feb 1997, BOUNT

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• FamilySearch ID: M3P3-LP4
• Initiatory (LDS): 25 Feb 1885, LOGAN

James married Jane Caddick on 12 Apr 1807 in Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Jane (daughter of Joseph Caddick and Ann Wharton) was born in 1787 in Crosby, Lancashire, England; died on 30 Jul 1854 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; was buried in Catholic Cemetery on Scotland Road, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LH6P-9ZJ
• Initiatory (LDS): 25 Feb 1885, LOGAN

Notes:

England, Marriages, 1538-1973, index, FamilySearch (https://familysearc h . org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKTH-TLN: accessed 21 Jan 2013), James Greaves and J an e Caddick,; citing Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England, refere nce ; FHL microfilm 93839, 93840, 93841.

Marriage: 12 Apr 1807 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Greaves - (X), Cordwainer of Liverpool
Jane Caddick - (X), Spinister of same Parish
Witness: Edward Coventry; James Anderton
Married by Banns by: John Pulford Curate
Register: Marriages 1807, Page 458, Entry 96
Source: LDS Film 93839

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• FamilySearch ID: K4G2-8B1
• Initiatory (LDS): 8 Feb 1894, LOGAN

George married Sarah Trellford on 29 May 1791 in St. Peter's Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Sarah (daughter of Hugh Trellford and Catherine Gleave) was born in Apr 1765 in Cheshire, England; was christened on 18 Apr 1765 in Woodchurch, Merseyside, England; died on 18 Nov 1839 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England; was buried in Necropolis Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: KH11-CY4
• Initiatory (LDS): 3 Sep 1999, MTIMP

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• FamilySearch ID: LH8S-SPG
• Initiatory (LDS): 19 Jan 1921, LOGAN

Henry married Sarah Smith on 8 Mar 1801 in Walsgrave-on-Sowe, Warwickshire, England. Sarah (daughter of Joseph Smith and Mary Brown) was christened on 4 Feb 1774 in Sowe, Warwickshire, England; died in 1818. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: LCRZ-463
• Initiatory (LDS): 17 Mar 1921, LOGAN

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• FamilySearch ID: LT5Q-94Q
• Initiatory (LDS): 28 Mar 2014, REXBU

Notes:

While Joseph was a young man and father, marriage, birth and christe n i n g records list him being married to Nancy Thorley and living in Lan ca sh ir e England area.
I could fine no record of him for several years after that time peri o d b u t in 1841 he is listed in a household with his daughter and grand da ught e r in England. His occupation is listed as a carpenter and he i s 7 5 yea r s old.

As the entry for Joseph Threlfall now stands, he is listed as a capt a i n (being in Jamaica) and getting married and having a son there, als o d e at h date is 1820.
Could there be 2 Joseph Threlfalls that are being confused ?

To me, it looks like the Joseph Threlfall who is married to Nancy Tho r l e y did not go to Jamaica and died sometime after 1841.

Joseph married Nancy Thorley on 26 Feb 1786 in Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Nancy (daughter of John Thorley and Mary Massey) was christened on 26 Jan 1755 in Goostrey, Cheshire, England; died on 15 Apr 1845 in Knowsley, Lancashire, England; was buried on 19 Apr 1845 in St. Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Prescot, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: M6XT-XGK
• Residence: 26 Jan 1755, Capesthorne, Cheshire, England
• Initiatory (LDS): 20 Mar 2015, APIA